I’m upgrading my GPU as soon as I can. Luckily I thought ahead and got 2x32 DDR4 in 2022, so I’ve really just been waiting for crypto mining to calm down.
Sorry, but sellers will NEVER let the price come down. It will take years, if ever that prices start coming down again. Also, there is almost zero chance the rich give up on their dream of replacing expensive employees with GPUs. Even if the market corrects a bit and washes out some weak businesses, the AI build out isnt going any where. There is money to be made replacing employees, and someone is going to make it, come hell or high water.
As someone in the midst of being replaced by AI, it ain’t happening. It’s superficially great at my job but the moment anything needs fixing or changing its more work than if I (or a human in general) had been paid to make it properly in the first place. No real productivity has been gained or time saved, those costs have all just been kicked down the road. The only thing LLMs (specifically LLMs, narrow/specialist systems have legitimate uses) have really enabled is the ability to produce Bethesda levels of technical debt in record time.
Sorry bro. It is over. AI may not solve all the problems they say it does but it can code and they’ll continue to get it better at coding. Software is now something you can imagine and create without writing it.
Wishing a thing to be true does not make it so.
I don’t know why people keep trying to tell us senior software engineers LLMs can code. I’ve rejected enough garbage pull requests to know it isn’t so.
AI can only be as good as its available training. The only improvements have been clever ways to approach that asymptote, but no true work arounds. To get them to truly learn, would require algorithms better than diffusion and backpropagation, and those currently do not exist.
“Even if the market corrects a bit” I think you have no concept on how large that bubble has become already. This could heavily impact the real economy.
After the bubble implodes it will become much harder to finance such data centres, never mind that it will be much harder to find a place to build it, even with all the corruption in the world.
I understand the numbers are truly staggering, but I’ve also been around the block enough times to know employers and investors will go to unbelievable lengths to save costs on labor. If the 1% believes AI is going to cut labor costs, then nothing will stop them. Nothing.
Elon said it. The big companies with other sources of revenue, like SpaceX, Google, Microsoft, and Facebook will survive. It’s the myriad of startups that are neck deep in debt for building out data centers that will fall.
And, while eventually AI might fulfill its promise, it’s not a given. It may not be possible with any amount of money and effort, like faster than light travel.
With the current tech, AGI is literally impossible. They believed scaling, clever architecture, and context window tricks would solve the issues of the current LLMs, but fundamentally diffusion and backpropagation cannot iteratively learn as they have no way to train during inference.
That doesn’t matter if the house walls are coming down because the cards are falling. Of course there is something that will stop them, the real cost of LLMs. There are no real costs yet, they are hidden by the bubble. The 1% loves cutting labour cost but not when that means losing money.
Not waiting to build and I still want it to die
Who the hell is crashing?
Google lost 12% in a day, and everyone is just waiting for the first domino to fall
I don’t think this is it, but we’re seeing more and more signs that it’s getting close
Arguably the dominos are already falling, but it is difficult to see till they start to snowball larger, or if they’ll find another source if funding to keep the ball uphill for a little longer.
The cracks are showing, but when the dominoes start falling there won’t be any debate, it’ll be very obvious
It could literally happen this week or it could take a year, my money would be on the sooner but these things have a way of hanging on longer than you’d expect
Even then, it will take more time for the prices to come down.
How do I know? I asked some LLM.
Oh no, google is down 12% in a day… even though they’re still up 300% when compared to 2023.
It’s a bubble. It’s going to pop, but until then it’s going to continue to inflate like crazy
Oh no, google is down 12% in a day… even though they’re still up 3000000000% when compared to 1906.
Even 3000000000% of nothing is still nothing.
Now post the meme where prices stay the same and everyone is confused.
Stay the same? Oh, sweet summer child. There’s a story posted this morning about PCB prices skyrocketing now due to AI. Lasting out till 2030. This roller coaster ride is only getting to the wild bit.
I mean that they aren’t going to fall along with the stock, that prices will remain high regardless of supply or demand, because the new world order is “you’ll pay what we say.”
Not the same day sure, but I’d the market crashes then its reasonable to expect it to drop at some point.
Why? When they can just hold firm and know you’ll pay it. That’s what every business does these days. Very little is true supply and demand.
What about when they know their stock is losing value
Value is just a number. A number that doesn’t have the ability to close the doors to a company. They will take out millions in loans, pay themselves a healthy bonus, and continue as usual.
An American citizen can survive for years on credit alone if they are careful. Imagine that’s measured in decades for some “too big to fail” American businesses.
I meant physical stock rather than stock market. If you could sell a graphics card today for £1k but it looks like if you wait it will be worth less then you will want to try and sell it before it drops.
Plus over time newer hardware comes out which is faster and then your existing stock becomes worth less due to having to compete with the new stuff. You bought all this stock and you want to make a profit or keep losses down.
Oh, I absolutely agree. I’m only saying that we haven’t even stopped going up yet, and we won’t for some time.
Guess we are gonna have to finally optimize our software to run on less while still being efficient.
Sorey, Electron.
It is a pretty good laugh to see Windows 11 and all of its old system requirements. Suddenly made a irrelevant as Microsoft Scrambles trying to keep themselves relevant. At one point it was 8-16 Gigabytes of RAM was the base. Now all of a sudden there are brand new Windows 11 laptops on the market with only 4 gigs.
And it will still be a pretty shitty experience. You might be able to run a lot of the same applications, but I can guarantee you under Chrome you’re not going to be having tabs plural open. Just tab.
there are brand new Windows 11 laptops on the market with only 4 gigs.
That’s just sad, man…
My 2016 Chromebook – which was shitty even when new – has 4GB of RAM.
With unstable supply/demand ratios, prices are quick to rise and slow to fall.
Prices can go up very easily as vendors charge more due to real or perceived scarcity and others raise their prices to match because they want to increase their profits.
Prices only go down when one company tries to undercut its competitors, though. And, of course, they only undercut their competitor’s price by a little, because they still want to make as much profits as possible. This will hopefully result in a back-and-forth competition of trying to undercut one another and steal market share from the other by offering a lower (but still profitable) price. But unless the market is extremely volatile and liquid, this back-and-forth takes time, leaving consumers to wait while the next company contemplates its next price cut.
And that’s the optimistic scenario, assuming there’s no oligopoly and no price collusion. If either of those are in play (and they often are), then prices will only go down if a new competitor enters the market.
No demand is relevant for price is just that right now the demand is 400% of supply so a decrease in demand doesn’t make much of a dent when they’ve just bought up the whole supply for a year. It will affect things in 2028.
Of all the things that could go up, PCBs were absolutely not on my list.
What is it? Has copper shot into the sky?
(Bonus interview today from stock traders into how AI is going to take over the economy and stocks will never fall: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POys36tQh80 - important point to keep in mind while watching that none of the AI companies have any earnings, so they have a negative P/E.)
Copper stock prices were about 40 USD around Jan 2025 and peaked at almost 100 USD around Jan 2026, so there could be something to it. The price is now about 70 USD
A complex in Saudi Arabia that’s makes like all the resin for PCBs got blowed up a while back so everyone is starting to be affected by it now
Schadenfreude is free, though.
The long term cost of schadenfreude is immeasurable.
Joke’s on them! I’m using my 2019 laptop until it’s dead and buried 😭
If it means anything, my current setup is a beheaded Samsung from 2019, with only 8gbs of (single channel) RAM and a shoddy i3 cpu, hooked up to a monitor like a goddamn Commodore 64 🫠
I have a friend that has a beheaded Chromebook mounted to his wall. He uses it for random stuff like streaming shows to a TV. It’s so ugly but it works 😂
Fuck I’m just going to go back to my old actual c=64 at this point
Saying hi from my 2013 Dell XPS 13" laptop (8GB RAM).
No I didn’t dig it out to make a point. It’s my main laptop.
It’s had Arch Linux on it for the last 13 years, and I haven’t really noticed things getting slower. There are some websites that make Chrome chug, but if I stick to sensible ones things are just… normal.
Damn, still going on a Dell XPS. Hell yeah. I have a tiny ASUS laptop running Arch, but the battery in it needs to be replaced.
I have a couple from 2009 still chugging along. Seriously, for a little web browsing and basic YouTube. They’re more than adequate.
Slap a low-resource Linux flavor on them and they’ll keep going for years! I’m running Nobara and love it.
I currently have one of Action Retro’s favorite distros on there. A little MX Linux. Before that, I had the latest beta of haiku. Which I really liked, but was having some graphical issues. ATM though thinking about nura x86. It makes KDE plasma almost almost usable on 4GB of ram with an arm tablet I have. I figure 10-20 bucks to double the DDR2 in it and it should feel almost modern.
Are you absolutely positive that DDR2 would set you back only 20 bucks?
Depending yes. Was looking on eBay. Couple years ago would have been so much less
go look again. and make sure you’re looking at 1x4gb or 2x4gb kits, not bullshit with 2x2 or 4x1 like they so often end up being. 2gb modules are 10usd or less, cuz nobody wants them for upgrading. but ddr2 sodimm 4gb modules are 30-40usd each. that’s today, tomorrow? who tf knows but it won’t be less.
yep lots of deceptive listings. Yeah saw that, and the best modules are outrageous atm often getting up to 100 dollars
Also still using my 2016 tower PC. The only thing slowly getting its way is new software using x86-64v3 instructions which I did not knew was a thing till the Mario Kart Wii PC port did not run :(
I’m so unbelievably happy that I had the good sense to buy some desktops with 32gigs of RAM prior to 2023.
Love a Lorax meme.
But personally, I prefer the Lorax that wasn’t used to sell SUVs.
Lorax? SUVs???
Afraid so
Wow… The amount of tone deafness here it impressive
Stocks or not, they will say the data centers will be needed for national security and mass surveillance.
How will we ever be able to survive without an omnipresent bot watching and judging everything you do.
Look at the lengths they are going to just to get some red cows to sacrifice, hoping its a step towards judgment day. what do you think they will do to create what they can call God to use and judge everyone .
I’m not a scientist, these are just some thoughts I think about when trying to sleep
It was inevitable
