People who were trying to quit via the various methods or those that quit prior to vapes suddenly started smoking again via the vapes because the tobacco industry said they were safer. They didn’t mention there was 10 times the amount of nicotine in them.
Vapes are safer than cigarettes, nobody in the history of ever has claimed they were safer than fresh air (city air, maybe). Independent studies done (mostly by the UK outside of the Phillip-Morrisphere) show it to be 95% safer than analog smoking, due to a lack of tar and other carcinogens produced by the burning of plant matter.
Vapes have more nicotine in them than cigarettes but “10 times” is a nonsense number pulled directly from your ass. What mg/ml are you referencing exactly? It’s commonly sold between 3mg and 6mg for freebase and 20, 40, or 50 for salt nic, one of those is probably about correct for your math, which one?
Furthermore the reason for the increased nicotine content is the disparity in the absorption of nicotine between the ROIs, vaping it is less efficient than smoking it, and freebase absorbs differently than salt nic at that. You absorb less nicotine/hit vaping than smoking, so if you increase the nic content you can compensate for that. Of course you can overdo it too, and I also used to smoke a pack and a half a day, some only smoke like say half a pack.
The real “issue” is the ease, for instance I can vape at my desk at work but not smoke, so I vape more since I don’t have to take a whole ass break for it, but in essence I’ve simply digitized the Mad Men era, they used to do what I do, but analog. Then again, if I couldn’t do that, I’d have a log of zyns on me, it’s not exactly like I’d be nicotine free.
BUT would it be safer for me to chainsmoke cigarettes all day, or vape a bunch? That is the question, not “would it be safer for me to vape or not?”
Inb4 “popcorn lung.” You know cigarettes have 2,000x the amount of diacetyl (the responsible chem) as vapes? And nobody has EVER gotten popcorn lung from vaping NOR cigarettes? That’s because it requires the powdered form to enter your lungs and settle like asbestos/mesothelioma, which has ONLY been observed in one popcorn factory that didn’t use respirators.
Disposables, yes, but at least where I’m from there was a big independent industry of “flavor” industries that quickly popped up around 2015, and in those years hardware had a ton of manufacturers and “DIY” aspects. You’d make your own liquids and coils using cheap specialized metal wire and cotton and you could go on for months with 20€. Then a bunch of absolute horseshit laws from both the national and EU level seemed to try and make that experience as inconvenient as possible, for example requiring you to buy half-filled bottles that you must fill yourself using nicotine bases that can be no bigger than 10ml, resulting in 3-4 small disposable plastic bottles per liquid that you buy. Several countries limited what flavors you can buy, and/or regulated the market such that there is only one or two brands of approved hardware manufacturers.
Now if you think that reducing accessibility of vapes is good, this would all be fine and dandy, but at the same time all the kids are vaping disposables, which are not subject to some of the same restrictions and you can buy online or in corner stores for the price of a pack of cigs. Of course almost all the brands are owned by old tobacco money, but I still can’t really understand how we took a perfectly good and simple system like an electronic cigarette with a decent industry behind it, made it borderline illegal, and then normalized the same thing but imported from a cartel, that works the exact same except that they refuse to put two holes for refilling and charging it. Fucking disposable lithium batteries in 2026.
I once owned a very popular food shop, and I always loved telling people to knock off the vapes. Now and then, someone would try to look tough in front of their buddies, and try to argue with me, and only succeeded in getting them, and their buddies, kicked out.
I would tell them: “This shop is my kingdom, and I’m the Emperor, and what I say goes, PERIOD. Do what I say, or get out!” I would say it exactly like that, while glaring into their eyes. Few ever argued a word after that, and those that did, were tossed out, FOREVER.
I feel like vapes have undone all the progress against smoking and more.
i feel like you can’t have grown up in a smoking household and seriously believe this
People who were trying to quit via the various methods or those that quit prior to vapes suddenly started smoking again via the vapes because the tobacco industry said they were safer. They didn’t mention there was 10 times the amount of nicotine in them.
Imagine being dumb enough to think the nicotine is the harmful part of a cigarette.
Community Notes:
Vapes are safer than cigarettes, nobody in the history of ever has claimed they were safer than fresh air (city air, maybe). Independent studies done (mostly by the UK outside of the Phillip-Morrisphere) show it to be 95% safer than analog smoking, due to a lack of tar and other carcinogens produced by the burning of plant matter.
Vapes have more nicotine in them than cigarettes but “10 times” is a nonsense number pulled directly from your ass. What mg/ml are you referencing exactly? It’s commonly sold between 3mg and 6mg for freebase and 20, 40, or 50 for salt nic, one of those is probably about correct for your math, which one?
Furthermore the reason for the increased nicotine content is the disparity in the absorption of nicotine between the ROIs, vaping it is less efficient than smoking it, and freebase absorbs differently than salt nic at that. You absorb less nicotine/hit vaping than smoking, so if you increase the nic content you can compensate for that. Of course you can overdo it too, and I also used to smoke a pack and a half a day, some only smoke like say half a pack.
The real “issue” is the ease, for instance I can vape at my desk at work but not smoke, so I vape more since I don’t have to take a whole ass break for it, but in essence I’ve simply digitized the Mad Men era, they used to do what I do, but analog. Then again, if I couldn’t do that, I’d have a log of zyns on me, it’s not exactly like I’d be nicotine free.
BUT would it be safer for me to chainsmoke cigarettes all day, or vape a bunch? That is the question, not “would it be safer for me to vape or not?”
Inb4 “popcorn lung.” You know cigarettes have 2,000x the amount of diacetyl (the responsible chem) as vapes? And nobody has EVER gotten popcorn lung from vaping NOR cigarettes? That’s because it requires the powdered form to enter your lungs and settle like asbestos/mesothelioma, which has ONLY been observed in one popcorn factory that didn’t use respirators.
Found the guy addicted to vapes
Found the douchebag.
Thanks for adding your own 6 paragraphs to contribute to the discussion
Who claimed they weren’t addictive? Lol go eat your own dick cheese.
Pretty sure that was why they were invented, cig companies made so much money
Disposables, yes, but at least where I’m from there was a big independent industry of “flavor” industries that quickly popped up around 2015, and in those years hardware had a ton of manufacturers and “DIY” aspects. You’d make your own liquids and coils using cheap specialized metal wire and cotton and you could go on for months with 20€. Then a bunch of absolute horseshit laws from both the national and EU level seemed to try and make that experience as inconvenient as possible, for example requiring you to buy half-filled bottles that you must fill yourself using nicotine bases that can be no bigger than 10ml, resulting in 3-4 small disposable plastic bottles per liquid that you buy. Several countries limited what flavors you can buy, and/or regulated the market such that there is only one or two brands of approved hardware manufacturers.
Now if you think that reducing accessibility of vapes is good, this would all be fine and dandy, but at the same time all the kids are vaping disposables, which are not subject to some of the same restrictions and you can buy online or in corner stores for the price of a pack of cigs. Of course almost all the brands are owned by old tobacco money, but I still can’t really understand how we took a perfectly good and simple system like an electronic cigarette with a decent industry behind it, made it borderline illegal, and then normalized the same thing but imported from a cartel, that works the exact same except that they refuse to put two holes for refilling and charging it. Fucking disposable lithium batteries in 2026.
Yup. When vapes and ecigs started being a thing, I kicked so many pissy whiny babies out of my store on the daily for it.
Not allowed to do that at my current job.
I once owned a very popular food shop, and I always loved telling people to knock off the vapes. Now and then, someone would try to look tough in front of their buddies, and try to argue with me, and only succeeded in getting them, and their buddies, kicked out.
I would tell them: “This shop is my kingdom, and I’m the Emperor, and what I say goes, PERIOD. Do what I say, or get out!” I would say it exactly like that, while glaring into their eyes. Few ever argued a word after that, and those that did, were tossed out, FOREVER.
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